Asperger's as the "new OCD"?

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Re: Asperger's as the "new OCD"?

Postby Civet on Mon Sep 06, 2010 1:28 am

Benji wrote:I think that the point is it's become 'cool' to be 'weird' rather than that it's actually become COOL to be WEIRD. So I don't think school would be much different now. I still get shouted at in the street, etc.


So do you mean it's cool to pretend to be weird, but not to actually be so?

Benji wrote:Yes, my friend compares herself to Sheldon as if they are actually very alike, which is what I find odd. I relate to a lot of characters but wouldn't necessarily mention it as being significant (unless someone else notices the similarity as with Sheldon and more recently Brick and the father in the new sitcom 'The Middle' or whatever it's called, and Stitch from Lilo and Stitch, etc.). Most comparisons I don't mind so much. One person said that I reminded them of Holden Caulfield and I did find that a little insulting.


I've watched The Middle because I read a few times that Brick was rather Aspergers-ish. He does seem so, but someone who works on the show says he is "neurologically quirky" and doesn't necessarily fit into AS. He is apparently based on their own child who is considered "neurologically quirky" and did many of the behaviors Brick does when he was younger.

Benji wrote:But because I've never had those sorts of words used EXCLUSIVELY in a negative way, I don't mind the words themselves (although I dislike the word 'retard'), but it might depend on the person saying it or whether the way it is said is obviosuly mean (or if I can't tell how it's meant and then I might be worried about how it is meant).

I tend to favour the word 'eccentric', though, as that seems more descriptive and doesn't sound very negative.


What you said about your ex does sound kind of verbally abusive, but I guess it depends on how it was meant. I don't think "retard" could ever be particularly endearing a term, though.

I like the word "eccentric" rather than "weird," as well. It's more like saying "unusual" and "a bit quirky" rather than "strange and wrong."

goddessoflubbock wrote:I've noticed more characters on TV recently being given definite traits without coming out and saying it.

I just started watching a new show "Rizzoli and Isles" with Angie Harmon, and the Isles character does autopsies, etc. At first it seemed to me Isles was just very pedantic, she loves neurobiology and her answers are always way over the top and very polysyllabic. But then they've started adding in traits like poor social skills, making her seem more aspiesh, ala Bones.


Yes, I've been noticing this, too. It's kind of strange. It's also kind of neat, though. Growing up there weren't a lot of characters I could relate to. I still remember Meg and Charles Wallace from the "Wrinkle in Time" books being the first literary characters that I really connected with beyond the surface fact of a character being a female hero or a main female character, or something cool like that (like in Power Rangers for example). It's good that there are more positive aspie-ish role models out there, now, though I also think the media is probably becoming a bit over-saturated with them.

I think that's also a reason I gravitated toward anime for some time, there are more characters in that sort of socially withdrawn and awkward/different realm, which seems to be a popular character subtype in Japanese animation. Unsurprising as otaku (or hardcore fans of anime) in Japan tend to be obsessive and socially awkward as well.
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Re: Asperger's as the "new OCD"?

Postby SomethingElse on Mon Sep 06, 2010 3:50 pm

Civet wrote:
Benji wrote:I think that the point is it's become 'cool' to be 'weird' rather than that it's actually become COOL to be WEIRD. So I don't think school would be much different now. I still get shouted at in the street, etc.


So do you mean it's cool to pretend to be weird, but not to actually be so?

Yes, that it how it seems to me.

I've watched The Middle because I read a few times that Brick was rather Aspergers-ish. He does seem so, but someone who works on the show says he is "neurologically quirky" and doesn't necessarily fit into AS. He is apparently based on their own child who is considered "neurologically quirky" and did many of the behaviors Brick does when he was younger.

I did not read that about Brick being based on someone's child (I don't think) but I had read that although a lot of aspie-ish things are brought up in the show he is always just considered 'quirky' and never actually diagnosed with anything.

What you said about your ex does sound kind of verbally abusive, but I guess it depends on how it was meant. I don't think "retard" could ever be particularly endearing a term, though.

My ex was initially a bit 'weird' himself, which sort of explains why the words were used in an endearing term (i.e. a 'normal' person would see it as abusive/negative/mean, whereas we both saw it as okay).
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Re: Asperger's as the "new OCD"?

Postby CookingWithScience on Wed Sep 29, 2010 9:13 pm

Not to sound like a prude or anything, but I am a little bothered when people refer to themselves as "schizo", "ocd", and "dyslexic" when they really aren't. I totally understand that they don't mean any sort of harm and I'm not even insulted. My beef with the casual terminology lies in the fact that when words get thrown around like that, people associate the word with something completely different.

Schizophrenia is a serious mental illness and it can be really, really scary for people because their hallucinations appear real. Most people will confuse this with split personality disorder OR they'll refer to someone who's simply "crazy" as "schizo." Having schizophrenia can mean a million different things to millions of different people. This lack of education can be dangerous . . .especially when the general public observes people like this.

Many people refer to autistic children as "retarded" when this CLEARLY IS NOT THE CASE. Education is power. :)
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Re: Asperger's as the "new OCD"?

Postby Sophist on Thu Sep 30, 2010 10:26 am

Yes, I agree. Getting into the habit of culturally misusing a term can lead to unfortunate consequences for those who have the conditions.
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Re: Asperger's as the "new OCD"?

Postby goddessoflubbock on Fri Oct 01, 2010 4:02 am

I don't mean to sound pompous, but people are pretty uneducated.

I am physically handicapped and am apalled at the notions people have about the handicaped. They believe someone can't be handicapped if they drive a car, or if they don't use an assistive device such as a cane or wheelchair. They believe you can't work, so therefore if you have nice things you worked the system somehow.

People use the word handicapped all the time to refer to things that can't even be handicapped.
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Re: Asperger's as the "new OCD"?

Postby SomethingElse on Fri Oct 01, 2010 12:00 pm

That's a good point, Goddess. I was recently reading around a forum where someone said that they knew a family who were on benefits but had nice things and went on holiday, and someone else pointed out that their dad is on benefits for a genuine reason but they also have nice things because they save up for them. I felt the same way (I managed to save up some money because I'm just not a big spender usually).
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Re: Asperger's as the "new OCD"?

Postby goddessoflubbock on Fri Oct 01, 2010 12:35 pm

I think it's why so many people have so little problem with parking illegally in handicapped. They see someone who *looks* fine and just assume.

They say "oh I've stubbed my toe, now I'm handicapped". It belittles what it really means. My biggest pet peeve is those who say "I wish I was handicapped so I could park in front". To which *I* say, I wish I weren't handicapped, so I could be free to walk wherever I wished.

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Re: Asperger's as the "new OCD"?

Postby Aspen on Sat Oct 02, 2010 7:22 pm

goddessoflubbock wrote:I think it's why so many people have so little problem with parking illegally in handicapped. They see someone who *looks* fine and just assume.

They say "oh I've stubbed my toe, now I'm handicapped". It belittles what it really means. My biggest pet peeve is those who say "I wish I was handicapped so I could park in front". To which *I* say, I wish I weren't handicapped, so I could be free to walk wherever I wished.

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Someone said something similar to me in the movie theater where I was sitting in the handicapped seating and I had my recently operated-on ankle propped up on my knee scooter with an ice pack to keep it from throbbing and swelling and I ranted a little at her. I said, OK, go ahead and have surgery on your ankle and then you too can sit up front and have your foot propped up on a cool scooter. My husband quietly pointed out to me that the woman probably only meant to be friendly and he thought I shocked her with my response. Then I felt bad for snapping at her. :oops:
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