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Travelling with People

Postby Civet » Sat Jan 28, 2012 12:48 pm

I was wondering if anyone has any tips or experience travelling with friends, and how best to cope. I have always been very stressed when doing "vacations" and I've only traveled with friends a few times, mostly my trips have been with my family where my parents planned and took care of everything. I know the biggest problem I have when with my family is that if I don't have my own space and some quiet time I get very edgy very quickly. Trips we've taken where I had my own room or stayed in the communal space in a hotel (and others had their rooms) were most successful. I also have a complete lack of direction and rely almost entirely on others to get around unless it's very very simple to get from point A to point B. This is not even getting into anxiety issues, which I'm going to have to work to manage as well.

A friend and I are planning a week and a half long trip to Italy, which is very exciting :D . Due to budget constraints we're most likely sharing a room wherever we go and may have to stay in hostels. I've already expressed I won't be able to do a "dorm style" room where we stay with other random people. However, I'm not really sure how to get my own space even if it's just the two of us sharing a room. I know I could stay behind on some days to be by myself but that isn't exactly ideal as we don't have a huge amount of time in the whole country and I would have to miss out on things. She knows I have anxiety problems but she hasn't witnessed how severe they can get, and I'd like to avoid that happening if possible. When I went to Florida with my parents I had quite bad anxiety at the airport, as well, and kept asking them the same questions over and over and couldn't calm down. It was awful and embarrassing. Unsurprisingly I have a hard time dealing with crowded and overloading places, and trying to navigate that makes things even worse.

I guess to get to the point, do others have a hard time with travel, also? And if so what are some strategies you've developed to help you cope?
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Re: Travelling with People

Postby SomethingElse » Sat Jan 28, 2012 4:26 pm

I haven't often travelled. I've been on holiday twice with my parents, for week long trips to Spain that were spent mainly around the hotel (and I forgot the other name for the kind of place we stayed). We had a couple of day trips each time. I coped because my parents were there to basically control everything. Also, my dad's doesn't care for activities that much so he would often go back to the room to nap, and so the holiday wasn't too stressful for anyone (except my mum who gets bored and would rather be doing things).

Last year I travelled twice with R, to Glasgow. The first time we flew and she made me a lanyard that had 'ATTENTION' on it and informed people have I have autism, because I can't talk to strangers and can act strange when I'm anxious or stressed. We foresaw that I would struggle with the airport, and my main worry was being separated from her and not being able to seek help, or rousing the suspicions of security and possibly being frisked. I'm not sure if the lanyard was what did it, but I wasn't frisked at any point and the security staff were very nice to me.

We stayed in a Premier Inn and initially I was very homesick on first arriving in Scotland and things were distressing me quite easily. I left London in sunshine, arrived in dismal Scotland, so I was immediately quite anxious, and then the cash machine gave me Scottish notes and we had to get a bus outside the airport to the Premier Inn. We got to the Premier Inn and I didn't like that I was stuck there for a couple of evenings, and I got cold and the heater wasn't working. R got that sorted very quickly, thankfully. We took books and DVDs and things from home so that I would feel more comfortable and less panicked about being away from home. Keeping busy and then being able to come back and chill out was nice, but I think that it helped that R is someone I'm very comfortable with and I don't have to feel too embarrassed about melting down in front of her.

We had a map of the immediate area and R had researched and written down details of things that might be important if we wanted to visit anywhere that required using the underground or getting a bus.

We flew back and that was even better because I was quite excited about going home, even though I had enjoyed myself. Again, I had my lanyard and people left me alone or were nice to me. I felt less pressured knowing that if someone tried to talk to me I could give them my lanyard to read, and that if I got separated from someone I could go hand them my lanyard and they'd contact R for me. So that helped with my anxiety. I also had books and things to distract me so that I didn't have to be overly aware of the airport, although it wasn't as crowded as it might have been for a bigger flight (Glasgow is in the UK, after all, so it's a domestic flight).

The second time we got the train and R made sure to get us a seat near the toilet because I can't walk through carriages to find a toilet by myself, but she wouldn't have been able to come with me because we couldn't leave our stuff unattended. So when we arrived she explained that I'm disabled, and got us seats near the toilet, and although it was a long train journey I quite enjoy things like that and had lots of things with me to keep me occupied. We also had seats alone so that no strangers sat with us.

We stayed in the same place, which was helpful. Different room, which threw me at first for some reason, but arguably a better one I suppose so I settled in a little quicker this time, and the heater worked fine. We stayed for longer and although we had trips to keep us busy and a map to help us find places. The area was familiar but we had our maps again, to help us. We visited Edinburgh Zoo on one of the days, but that was a bit overwhelming because a friend came and whereas I'm very comfortable with R I was less comfortable with the friend and was expected to talk more than I normally would! On the way back we sat at the back of the bus and I was hot and tired and then I had a meltdown over a change in plans (the plan had been to get back to Glasgow, get food, R and the friend decided they weren't hungry and even though I wasn't I couldn't cope with the change in plan and panicked about what would happen about getting food, and in the end I went back to the room by myself for a bit to chill out and calm down and R and the friend went to get food (and got some for me). That was harder because my friend became aggressive in turn (i.e. she tried to hug me or poke me or something as a sort of, "What's up? Cheer up!" sort of thing, and I snapped at her not to touch me because I was obviously hypersensitive and less able to tolerate being touched than I'd usually be and she snapped back, "Don't get pissy with me!" or something along those lines which annoyed me even more because I was feeling quite embarrassed and horrible without also being told off for it!).

Annnnd then it turned out that R had booked the wrong tickets or got them mixed up and we got stranded in Edinburgh on the way home, and had to stay overnight in a Holiday Inn. I had a meltdown at the train station, then in the cab, at the airport, then again at the Holiday Inn. I hated it because it was different (Premier Inn = purple and white rooms, Holiday Inn had a sort of burnt orange and white theme), I was in Edinburgh instead of Glasgow, I had expected to be on my way home or at home instead of in another inn sort of place, and I was tired and miserable and had been really stressed and anxious the whole time over what was happening and had no control over being able to get home, so... Yeah... I actually got quite sick from the stress, developed a fever and a sore throat, and R went out to get me some things to help with that and to cheer me up, and then came back and we got ready for bed and she put a DVD on for me, and that did actually make me feel better (goodies, a familiar film to distract me, and the knowledge that in the morning I could get the train home).

You can't prepare for every eventuality, I suppose, but I would suggest maps and trying to familiarise yourself with the area straight away (exploring, but maybe gradually, so walking around the area you're staying to see what's nearby, what food options there are, where you can get necessities, and to help you get your bearings so that if you did want to venture out without your friend you'd be better able to find your way around (even if you can't venture too far by yourself). As it's another country, maybe learn some key phrases in Italian, even if it's just so you can ask where toilets are or something like that, and maybe work out where you'll be visiting and how to reach those places from your 'base'. If you can, take some things that are familiar and comforting (probably better if they're also entertaining for you to keep you distracted, a book, sketchbook, DVD, handheld games console, something you can look at that will help avert your gaze from crowded areas). Maybe locate any places that might be nice to chill in if you need some time-out to avoid a meltdown (either a room you can use by yourself, or headphones so you can share the space with your friend but be left alone, or a nearby park or something). If you are sharing a room with your friend and there's a bathroom, perhaps disappearing to shower could give you some time to yourself as well.

Make sure you get things in or have things on hand like foods you like and drinks, because being hungry/thirsty when in an unfamiliar place makes the stress build up a whole lot worse than being hungry/thirsty at home!
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Re: Travelling with People

Postby Civet » Sun Jan 29, 2012 2:37 am

Thanks, SE, those are good suggestions. I'm sorry to hear you had such a tough time with some of your trips. It's great that R is so understanding and is able to help you when you have a meltdown or get stressed.

I don't tend to have meltdowns, I have anxiety attacks or I'll have a partial shutdown (or both). They're not exactly panic attacks but my mind is going full speed on whatever the problem is, in a perpetual loop. With shutdowns I will feel very tired and want to go right to sleep, feel very overwhelmed by everything around me and want to be in a dark room under the covers with no noise (a bit like you say with your meltdowns where touch is worse). Overall my brain feels just "stunned."

I have a hard time reading maps, so I will try to familiarize myself with at least the immediate area around our room. We will probably be staying in a few different places as we may take an overnight trip to Venice. It will be easiest if we can plan to stay in Rome first, then Venice, then just go back to Rome for our flight so we don't have to have three different places, but it may not be possible.

It's a good idea to try to find a place I can be in, too, the park idea was a good one, if there happens to be something nearby. I may try to avoid bringing my laptop with me so I don't have the hassle, I've never flown with a computer before, but on second thought it might be good so I can bring some DVDs to watch for comfort, so I will have to think about that.

One good thing is that we'll be visiting a friend who is currently staying in Italy so she will be guiding us around for most things so long as we both stick with her. She lives in a student housing facility, though, so unfortunately we're not allowed to stay with her.
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Re: Travelling with People

Postby SomethingElse » Sun Jan 29, 2012 3:30 pm

I tend to shut down if I'm tired, in which case I like to not have to talk to people or have them talk to me, and too much stimulus pushes me into a meltdown then (that's kind of what I think happened on the Edinburgh Zoo trip - I got tired and need to be quiet and alone and was pushed and pushed and pushed until I blew up). So I think maybe it's important to recognise that just as much as becoming aggravated (becoming tired, I mean).

Your trip sounds more complicated both in that you will be moving around a bit and have no designated place to stay yet that you can stay for the entire duration of the trip, and not having someone quite as helpful/understanding as R with you. But hopefully if you're well prepared you can reduce the problems you might face.
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Re: Travelling with People

Postby Civet » Mon Jan 30, 2012 10:56 am

I think shutdown for me is usually a response to being overwhelmed. I also don't like to have to talk or listen to people and the more I push myself the worse the shutdown gets, so I've found it's better to just hide and either rest or sleep until I feel I've "rebooted." If I push myself too much I'm in for prolonged shutdown and recovery is a lot more difficult. I usually hit the severe anxiety stage before a shutdown occurs and can feel it coming on, since I've learned to recognize that heavy feeling in my brain I've been a bit better at keeping things from hitting that stage though it's not always possible to avoid.

My friend, AC, is a pretty understanding and caring person, though I am not as comfortable with her as you are with R. The friend we'll be visiting, CC, is my old roommate so she knows what I can be like at my worst, though unfortunately she is also not that good at dealing with it. She tends to get frustrated with me and doesn't really understand how out of my control some of my behaviors can be.

I should probably try to think of a way to express to AC what might be problematic for me and how she can help in those situations in case they arise, but I'm not sure how to do so without alarming her unnecessarily. She seems like the type of person that would be willing to work with me to make things less stressful so long as they aren't outrageous or undo-able demands. Hopefully we can minimize the amount of locations we stay at to just two so I won't have to learn and relearn so many times.
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Re: Travelling with People

Postby aslex » Mon Jul 16, 2012 8:30 pm

Hi Civet, and LP : )
Last month we went to visit family and friends and stayed with my in-laws for 3 weeks. 3 WEEKS! There were also other family memebers that came to see us and stay overnight in the house with us- there were people sleeping on the couch and on blow up beds- there were people all over the place. At the beginning of the holiday I was "fine". I tried to be sociable but as the days and weeks went by, including day trips out and two weddings, I got more and more anxious and ended up spending a lot of time alone in our room.
I would advise taking books, note pads, music player, if those things help you, so that you can tune out from what is going on around you if you cannot physically get away from a situation. Especially in the airport. Maybe if you have some kind of meditation or relaxation cd to listen to while you are waiting in the airport that might help you? Also maybe plan your holiday so that if you have one busy day, the next day you can totally chill and have some down time. That way you can reboot before you reach crisis point.I personallt think it would be better to do this, and enjoy your time, than to push yourself and end up having a meltdown.
Remember that travel is stressful for everyone, not only those on the Autistic Spectrum, so be kind to yourself. I hope you have a lovely holiday.
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Re: Travelling with People

Postby Civet » Mon Jul 30, 2012 10:32 am

Thanks, aslex. I have gone on my trip and it went pretty well. I am glad I went, it was a really great experience and overall quite enjoyable. We did and saw so many awesome things : ) . It was also very exhausting and stressful and I did semi shut-down a couple of times, but fortunately I was able to just stay in the hotel/hostel while my friends went out and did smaller activities to try to "recharge" a bit. The train rides were also welcome breaks, as it was 4 hours on the train to and from Venice.

AC was very helpful at the airport, I got overwhelmed and couldn't really figure out what to do and ended up just following her much of the time. I felt a little badly having to put this on her but she was ok about it, being a more experienced flyer. I also helped her keep calm at one point when we had trouble claiming our tickets to return so hopefully that helped return the favor a bit.

On the actual trip CC guided us around most of the time, so we didn't have to worry about navigation and figuring out how to get from one spot to another (whether to walk, take the bus, train, etc) as she'd been to most of the places we visited before. That was a huge help, as well : )
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Re: Travelling with People

Postby BruceCM » Mon Jul 30, 2012 12:03 pm

Glad you had a good trip!
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Re: Travelling with People

Postby Sophist » Wed Aug 01, 2012 6:53 pm

Your trip sounds excellent. Got any pictures to share, Civet? :D
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